Comments on: Gematria in the New Testament? http://yeshuaincontext.com/2011/05/gematria-in-the-new-testament/ The Life and Times of Yeshua (Jesus) the Messiah Tue, 04 Mar 2014 16:51:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: yeshuain http://yeshuaincontext.com/2011/05/gematria-in-the-new-testament/#comment-13330 yeshuain Wed, 17 Oct 2012 03:45:53 +0000 http://yeshuaincontext.com/?p=394#comment-13330 No problem, Brian. No problem, Brian.

]]> By: Brian Chilton http://yeshuaincontext.com/2011/05/gematria-in-the-new-testament/#comment-13328 Brian Chilton Wed, 17 Oct 2012 00:54:12 +0000 http://yeshuaincontext.com/?p=394#comment-13328 This is really cool. Do you mind if I post this on my website? Obviously, I will give you the credit for the information. Blessings in Yeshua This is really cool. Do you mind if I post this on my website? Obviously, I will give you the credit for the information.

Blessings in Yeshua

]]> By: yeshuain http://yeshuaincontext.com/2011/05/gematria-in-the-new-testament/#comment-4648 yeshuain Mon, 30 May 2011 13:36:55 +0000 http://yeshuaincontext.com/?p=394#comment-4648 Carl, your point is a good one, of course. To be clear: the numerical features tend to come in sections so the margin of error in # of syllables is there, to be sure, but not as much so as if it involved the whole book or long sections. Carl, your point is a good one, of course. To be clear: the numerical features tend to come in sections so the margin of error in # of syllables is there, to be sure, but not as much so as if it involved the whole book or long sections.

]]> By: Carl Kinbar http://yeshuaincontext.com/2011/05/gematria-in-the-new-testament/#comment-4629 Carl Kinbar Sun, 29 May 2011 18:42:25 +0000 http://yeshuaincontext.com/?p=394#comment-4629 The root issue here is establishing the text of the original "autographs" without error. The very fact that new eclectic editions keep on appearing (the latest at SBL last year) indicates that there is no consensus on the precise text of the originals--the goal is to approach it as closely as possible. Yet, for the structural approach, close is not good enough--even if you are only off by one syllable or word, the text is not reliable for strict mathematical purposes. I respect Bauckham greatly, but he seems to be out on the fringe by suggesting that numerics should tip the balance in making text-critical decisions. The root issue here is establishing the text of the original “autographs” without error. The very fact that new eclectic editions keep on appearing (the latest at SBL last year) indicates that there is no consensus on the precise text of the originals–the goal is to approach it as closely as possible.

Yet, for the structural approach, close is not good enough–even if you are only off by one syllable or word, the text is not reliable for strict mathematical purposes. I respect Bauckham greatly, but he seems to be out on the fringe by suggesting that numerics should tip the balance in making text-critical decisions.

]]> By: yeshuain http://yeshuaincontext.com/2011/05/gematria-in-the-new-testament/#comment-4626 yeshuain Sun, 29 May 2011 15:18:23 +0000 http://yeshuaincontext.com/?p=394#comment-4626 Absolutely. Bauckham discusses this and it is not an insuperable difficulty. Concerning the section in 20:31 - 21:25, Bauckham comments: "On the one hand there must be good text-criticual support for the readings selected, but, on the other hand, it is not improper, where the textual evidence is not decisively in favor of one reading, to allow considerations of numerical literary technique to play some part in tipping the balance." Absolutely. Bauckham discusses this and it is not an insuperable difficulty. Concerning the section in 20:31 – 21:25, Bauckham comments: “On the one hand there must be good text-criticual support for the readings selected, but, on the other hand, it is not improper, where the textual evidence is not decisively in favor of one reading, to allow considerations of numerical literary technique to play some part in tipping the balance.”

]]> By: Carl Kinbar http://yeshuaincontext.com/2011/05/gematria-in-the-new-testament/#comment-4625 Carl Kinbar Sun, 29 May 2011 15:01:45 +0000 http://yeshuaincontext.com/?p=394#comment-4625 I'm curious about how Menken deals with the numerous manuscript variants in the gospel of John, since the addition or subtraction of a single word or syllable undermines every calculation. I’m curious about how Menken deals with the numerous manuscript variants in the gospel of John, since the addition or subtraction of a single word or syllable undermines every calculation.

]]> By: Rabbi Joshua http://yeshuaincontext.com/2011/05/gematria-in-the-new-testament/#comment-4563 Rabbi Joshua Fri, 27 May 2011 13:38:10 +0000 http://yeshuaincontext.com/?p=394#comment-4563 Wow ... this is very cool! And I am totally not surprised to learn this. Wow … this is very cool! And I am totally not surprised to learn this.

]]> By: Alice C. Linsley http://yeshuaincontext.com/2011/05/gematria-in-the-new-testament/#comment-4555 Alice C. Linsley Fri, 27 May 2011 03:57:59 +0000 http://yeshuaincontext.com/?p=394#comment-4555 Thanks for this informative article. I'm going to list it as related reading for my article on Is Gematria Helpful in Decoding the Genesis King Lists? http://biblicalanthropology.blogspot.com/2011/05/is-gematria-helpful-in-decoding-genesis.html Triangular numbers, sets of three, and pyramids have very ancient symbolism. There was even a name for God associated with the number 3: Baal Shalisha. Thanks for this informative article. I’m going to list it as related reading for my article on Is Gematria Helpful in Decoding the Genesis King Lists? http://biblicalanthropology.blogspot.com/2011/05/is-gematria-helpful-in-decoding-genesis.html

Triangular numbers, sets of three, and pyramids have very ancient symbolism. There was even a name for God associated with the number 3: Baal Shalisha.

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