Comments on: Other Jewish and Christian Writings from Biblical Times http://yeshuaincontext.com/2010/12/other-jewish-and-christian-writings-from-biblical-times/ The Life and Times of Yeshua (Jesus) the Messiah Tue, 04 Mar 2014 16:51:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Bill Meyer http://yeshuaincontext.com/2010/12/other-jewish-and-christian-writings-from-biblical-times/#comment-8052 Bill Meyer Tue, 27 Dec 2011 22:08:50 +0000 http://yeshuaincontext.com/?p=227#comment-8052 @Wouter Hi Wouter Are you from South Africa? @Wouter
Hi Wouter
Are you from South Africa?

]]> By: Wouter http://yeshuaincontext.com/2010/12/other-jewish-and-christian-writings-from-biblical-times/#comment-3651 Wouter Thu, 28 Apr 2011 05:18:46 +0000 http://yeshuaincontext.com/?p=227#comment-3651 Hi Derek Thanks, yes the book actually arrived today. Read the first three chapters. Enjoyed it, can't wait to read some more. Will be interested in hearing what you find in this research about the pseudographa, seems to always be a big issue. Previously I've read the FF Bruce on the formation of the Canon, I found that helpful in clearing some of my questions. One thing that always strikes me when I read books from the apographia and pseudographia is how many of the teachings seem to be quite foreign to what is taught in the Canon's of the Old testament and New Testament. Such as money being given to the temple as a sin offering for dead soldiers in 2 Maccabees 12. After they found coins on with the face of Baal on them, with the dead soldiers. Thank You, God Bless Wouter Joubert Hi Derek

Thanks, yes the book actually arrived today. Read the first three chapters. Enjoyed it, can’t wait to read some more.

Will be interested in hearing what you find in this research about the pseudographa, seems to always be a big issue. Previously I’ve read the FF Bruce on the formation of the Canon, I found that helpful in clearing some of my questions.
One thing that always strikes me when I read books from the apographia and pseudographia is how many of the teachings seem to be quite foreign to what is taught in the Canon’s of the Old testament and New Testament. Such as money being given to the temple as a sin offering for dead soldiers in 2 Maccabees 12. After they found coins on with the face of Baal on them, with the dead soldiers.

Thank You, God Bless

Wouter Joubert

]]> By: yeshuain http://yeshuaincontext.com/2010/12/other-jewish-and-christian-writings-from-biblical-times/#comment-3512 yeshuain Fri, 22 Apr 2011 12:37:27 +0000 http://yeshuaincontext.com/?p=227#comment-3512 Wouter: Yes, I believe the canons of the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament are authoritative. But I am thinking through and asking things like, "Why?" or "How do we know?" Right now I think Jewish and Christian tradition are what I am resting my belief on. Derek Leman P.S. I don't suppose the book has arrived yet in the down under? Wouter:

Yes, I believe the canons of the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament are authoritative. But I am thinking through and asking things like, “Why?” or “How do we know?”

Right now I think Jewish and Christian tradition are what I am resting my belief on.

Derek Leman

P.S. I don’t suppose the book has arrived yet in the down under?

]]> By: Wouter http://yeshuaincontext.com/2010/12/other-jewish-and-christian-writings-from-biblical-times/#comment-3509 Wouter Fri, 22 Apr 2011 12:13:55 +0000 http://yeshuaincontext.com/?p=227#comment-3509 just to clarify, You guys probally still agree that all the inspired writtings are contained in the Bible we have today? As those books can show us something about history, but it probally has some reason for being pseudographia. As i've heard that the book of Enoch only appeared in 150 BC, but was about an event suppose to be around 2500 BC or longer ago. just to clarify, You guys probally still agree that all the inspired writtings are contained in the Bible we have today? As those books can show us something about history, but it probally has some reason for being pseudographia. As i’ve heard that the book of Enoch only appeared in 150 BC, but was about an event suppose to be around 2500 BC or longer ago.

]]> By: yeshuain http://yeshuaincontext.com/2010/12/other-jewish-and-christian-writings-from-biblical-times/#comment-628 yeshuain Sun, 02 Jan 2011 02:19:32 +0000 http://yeshuaincontext.com/?p=227#comment-628 Thank you, Jim. For everyone who hasn't checked out the link Jim sent, there is more complexity to the references to lost books in the Hebrew Bible that I realized. Thank you, Jim. For everyone who hasn’t checked out the link Jim sent, there is more complexity to the references to lost books in the Hebrew Bible that I realized.

]]> By: Jim Davila http://yeshuaincontext.com/2010/12/other-jewish-and-christian-writings-from-biblical-times/#comment-621 Jim Davila Sat, 01 Jan 2011 22:15:34 +0000 http://yeshuaincontext.com/?p=227#comment-621 http://paleojudaica.blogspot.com/2009_08_02_archive.html#7929224960114040659 http://paleojudaica.blogspot.com/2009_08_02_archive.html#7929224960114040659

]]> By: karen elizabeth http://yeshuaincontext.com/2010/12/other-jewish-and-christian-writings-from-biblical-times/#comment-586 karen elizabeth Thu, 30 Dec 2010 19:48:13 +0000 http://yeshuaincontext.com/?p=227#comment-586 glad to discover (blessed actually) this site as i have been searching for a 'new covenant, torah and sabbath observing' congregation. i look forward to spending time soon reading these blogs and hopefully visiting this congregation in the near future. my eyes have been opened and the 'dim glass' is being cleared by the Ruach HKodesh and the Father is taking me to new spiritual heights than i ever could have reached in the 'counterfeit' churches i had been raised in. halleluYAH Adonai Eloheinu Echad shalom glad to discover (blessed actually) this site as i have been searching for a ‘new covenant, torah and sabbath observing’ congregation. i look forward to spending time soon reading these blogs and hopefully visiting this congregation in the near future.
my eyes have been opened and the ‘dim glass’ is being cleared by the Ruach HKodesh and the Father is taking me to new spiritual heights than i ever could have reached in the ‘counterfeit’ churches i had been raised in. halleluYAH
Adonai Eloheinu Echad

shalom

]]> By: yeshuain http://yeshuaincontext.com/2010/12/other-jewish-and-christian-writings-from-biblical-times/#comment-581 yeshuain Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:50:46 +0000 http://yeshuaincontext.com/?p=227#comment-581 Art: I guess it's perspective that counts here. The intention of OTP, stated in the introduction, is to include works related to the Hebrew Bible. The fact that some of these documents have late parts or may have been misdated in earlier scholarship is irrelevant to the inclusive principle for the book. It is not attempting to include works in the rabbinic stream or the New Testament Pseudepigrapha stream. I did not want to give the impression that OTP included all the relevant Jewish and Christian writings up to 400 CE. But, though I think you could use a lesson in tact, I will modify the wording of the post so that you feel I have not "misinformed" my readers. Derek Leman Art:

I guess it’s perspective that counts here. The intention of OTP, stated in the introduction, is to include works related to the Hebrew Bible. The fact that some of these documents have late parts or may have been misdated in earlier scholarship is irrelevant to the inclusive principle for the book.

It is not attempting to include works in the rabbinic stream or the New Testament Pseudepigrapha stream. I did not want to give the impression that OTP included all the relevant Jewish and Christian writings up to 400 CE.

But, though I think you could use a lesson in tact, I will modify the wording of the post so that you feel I have not “misinformed” my readers.

Derek Leman

]]> By: art http://yeshuaincontext.com/2010/12/other-jewish-and-christian-writings-from-biblical-times/#comment-580 art Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:24:06 +0000 http://yeshuaincontext.com/?p=227#comment-580 how is making an incorrect statement "keeping it simple"? you could have just as simply, and correctly written, "the definitive collection of “other” books <b>from between ca 350 bce and ca 400 ce (and sometimes later)</b> is contained in two volumes (in english) by james charlesworth called the old testament pseudepigrapha." keeping it simple does not mean misinforming your readers. how is making an incorrect statement “keeping it simple”?

you could have just as simply, and correctly written, “the definitive collection of “other” books from between ca 350 bce and ca 400 ce (and
sometimes later) is contained in two volumes (in english) by james charlesworth called the old testament pseudepigrapha.”

keeping it simple does not mean misinforming your readers.

]]> By: yeshuain http://yeshuaincontext.com/2010/12/other-jewish-and-christian-writings-from-biblical-times/#comment-572 yeshuain Thu, 30 Dec 2010 02:14:18 +0000 http://yeshuaincontext.com/?p=227#comment-572 Yes, I was keeping it simple. Yes, I was keeping it simple.

]]> By: art http://yeshuaincontext.com/2010/12/other-jewish-and-christian-writings-from-biblical-times/#comment-571 art Wed, 29 Dec 2010 23:41:47 +0000 http://yeshuaincontext.com/?p=227#comment-571 the otp volumes include books that were written after 100 ce, not just books written up to that point. the otp volumes include books that were written after 100 ce, not just books written up to that point.

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