Comments on: Yeshua and Sacrifices

By: Wouter

Wouter — Thu, 28 Apr 2011 07:26:05 +0000

Another Question is also wheter Yeshua didn’t just follow torah to furfill it, but after he went to the cross, how much of the torah does a gentile need to follow? Also agian would sacrifices be needed after Yeshua was the final sacrifice? I guess I have also addressed how if you assume the eucharist to be a sacfrifice and not just passover, then can see it somehow continueing, but when comparing the eucharist to the temple sacrifice, there is major differences. I like the article on Passover.

By: Wouter

Wouter — Thu, 28 Apr 2011 07:20:22 +0000

Guess there is probally still a major difference between the eucharist and the animal sacrifices in the second temple. So can see the resemblence if you assume the eucharist isn’t just ment to be a passover, but in reality can’t see any resemblence of why sacrifices would continue in the form of a eucharist. As there is no blood sacrifice or offering on an altar taking place. Doesn’t eating unclean meat and there being no temple to bring sacrifices to, kindoff defeat saying that torah is followed in gentile churches. The eucharist to me only makes sense in it being a passover, celebrating what he has done, but I can’t share the view of it being a sacrifice.

Derek, would like to ask if sacrifices would have still been needed after Yeshua was suppose to have given complete redemption with his sacrifice on the Cross.

By: yeshuain

yeshuain — Mon, 17 Jan 2011 17:21:32 +0000

Geralyn:

Thank you for bringing some perspective from the Catholic fold in these matters. Blessings and peace.

Derek Leman

By: Geralyn Kohler

Geralyn Kohler — Sun, 16 Jan 2011 05:39:23 +0000

p.s The Tim Gray reference is from Lay Witness (Nov/Dec.2002) “From Jewish Passover to Christian Eucharist: The Story of the Todah.” Another scholarly work I found is “The Temple and It’s Services: The Temple It’s Ministry and Services at the Time of Jesus Christ” by Dr. Alfred Edersheim published, I believe, in 1874. He was a Jewish convert to Christianity, but of Protestantism rather than Catholicism, so he misses the Catholic significance of Eucharist.

By: Geralyn Kohler

Geralyn Kohler — Sat, 15 Jan 2011 22:58:35 +0000

Derek,
Thank you for addressing this topic. As a Roman Catholic I have witnessed and experienced the sacrifice of Yeshua in every Mass. What I found in the past several years is some resources on 2nd. Temple worship that has helped me better understand the role of sacrifice remaining within Catholicism. I highly recommend a book called “The Temple; It’s Symbolism and Meaning Then and Now” written by Joshua Berman copyright 1995. In Catholicism, the sacrificial offering is a thank offering – Eucharist. As I learned more of the Sedar liturgy, I began to understand more what Yeshua was doing that last Passover. I’ve also read another work (I think by a Tim Gray???) who suggests that the Eucharistic meal in Catholicism is a Todah sacrifice. Another gentile Catholic source to understanding Yeshua’s sacrifice is “The Fourth Cup” by Dr. Scott Hahn. Finally, challenged by a gentile friend who did not know of Catholicism roots in Judaism, I finally read the 613 Laws. What I found within the area of Temple worship and sacrifices – coupled with my own Catholic experience – opened my eyes to percieve how Gentile Catholics are keeping Torah…recognizing all it does not keep as non-Jewish people.

What I love about the Gospels is Yeshua’s presence in the Temple area from birth until his death. They “went up” on Feast days and Jesus taught. I see no incongruity with him offering sacrifice; especially in light of the Letter to the Hebrews.

Peace and much thanks,
Geralyn

By: Steve Purtell

Steve Purtell — Mon, 15 Nov 2010 15:50:50 +0000

Derek,

Great questions and good insight! Also, Mariam and Yoseph do bring the offering (Two doves) for their first born, Yeshua!